Monday, July 25, 2005

Mabul II
A few reasonable comments from Chabad people concerning the Mabul and science, arehere;

"We at the Torah Science Foundation believe that the most powerful and creative approach is to take both the Torah and science as relevant bodies of knowledge that shape human consciousness. From that perspective, since the Torah tells us that there was a flood, we believe with complete faith that there was a flood. Can we map the "flood" concept in the scientific body of knowledge? Not yet. On the other hand, we watch with wonder how very large scale phenomena such as the story of creation in Torah match emerging scientific theories such as the Big Bang with remarkable precision."

I would emphasize/empathize with the concept of "map" and watching with "wonder how very large scale Torah match emerging scientific theories...with remarkable precision". Remarks from scientists abound regarding the unsettling similarities of the Torah maps and the Science maps, especially around Big Bang/Bereshit. But what if we find (following the science maps0, something around the Mabul - such as an extensive regional/local flood within the time of Noach? Scientists would probably make similar "remarkable" statements about how unusually similar the science and Torah maps are; would religious people feel a similar "wonder" - or would we fear finding basis for reading the Torah map a little differently than we had before? Our fear wouldn't be based on scientific challenges; the [albeit hypothetical] scientists are amazed on the Torah's accuracy! Would we doubt the integrity of the 'Torah' the scientists were amazed by because it wasn't in the loshon of the Torah we'd been rendering Torah in? I know it's a bit clumsy and jumbled, I'll probably edit this.


At 7/25/2005 1:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did they mention that their "mapping" is considered heresy by many Gedolim?

At 7/25/2005 2:15 PM, Blogger Pierre Sogol said...

Hooold on there anonymous. Are you asking if [hypothetical] scientists mentioned their SCIENTIFIC mapping of what they discover is heresy? Or the hypothetical religious people who hadn't mapped anything yet - are heretical before they've mapped (which I've heard happens in the Torah World nowadays)?

At 7/25/2005 2:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anonymous mean the chabadniks, the scientists or the yirei shamayim?


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